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07-23-2010, 01:48 AM
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Do we really need to state this?
Of course Mike Hart is banned from all future CBC events.
for those of you who need to read it -
Consider him banned from the following...
ABA
NBW
100%
WON
AC
TOP STICK
FLW
BASS
ALL BASS CLUBS
ALL TURKEY SHOOTS
and anything else that takes the weighing of fish.
I might be assuming too much - but, I can almost guarantee you that not only will the orgs ban him - but, he'll be banning himself.
I always wondered why he didn't fish the CBC - Maybe our statement that Polygraphs WILL be used at some point during the process kept him away? I don't know - but, it makes me go hmmmmmm.
That being said - I hope that he can come to some peace with his life at some point in the future. There is more to life than fishing and money and I know after talking to people close to him that I feared for his well being. Don't get me wrong - what he did was beyond horrible!!
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07-23-2010, 09:29 AM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
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Originally Posted by JIGS
My .02 on it all is. No we don't need to state this. The human is born to make mistakes in life. People go to jail, prisons, put on parole etc. My view is put the guy on a suspension for a few years, yes he screwed up and got caught. In time, let him back in, I'm sure he is a decent person in life. Just make him work his way back in to the game someday. Fine him, put him on parole, but for Gods sake don't execute him for a human error. It's the human way. God forgives in time! It's all I have to say on the subject.
Phil
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Once a cheater always a cheater! Never let this guy fish a tournament again!
And, yes in time you can bet he'll show up at some unsuspecting TD's sign up table with his entry fee as many notorious cheaters have and try to take your money again. TD's don't be afraid to turn them away.
Steve Greene
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07-23-2010, 09:31 AM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
The problem is though, that his cheating was no error or mistake. He knew going in he was cheating. He planned for it ahead of time. Premeditated is the word. Not mistake. Not error. Planned to cheat. The only error made was him getting caught, and that was purely accidental. I wonder how long he had been getting away with it? Did you see the huge lead him and his team partner had in total weight over the course of this season with NBW? How much money he had "won" with NBW this year? And he was confident enough in his plan to try it on the biggest stage in the West? Mistake? Error? I don't think so.
I can't and won't buy into anyone saying it was a mistake or error. He executed his plan exactly as he intended to, and happened to get caught purely by chance.
How long is long enough to keep him away from tournaments? How about long enough so that nobody has to wonder if the guy is planning to cheat the rest of the field out of thier legitimate shot at winning by the rules, again. I wouldn't fish a tournament that allowed a caught and verified cheater from the past to enter. No way. Why would I pay my money to enter, and fish all day by the rules, and have to wonder if that old "reformed" cheater was really reformed, and then see him walk off with the money. P1ss on that.
There's no room in this sport for cheaters, and when they get caught, they should be run out of the game on a rail.
Let God do the forgiving, and we can fish clean tournaments, free of known cheats. If he really wants to keep fishing tournaments, he can start his own circuit for previoulsy caught cheaters.
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07-23-2010, 09:48 AM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
I am all for forgiving but that is different than forgetting. He did plan this and it does make you wonder how many other events he cheated anglers out of money
I does seem very egregious and well thought out. He obviously has a problem and this is just a manifestation of that problem. He should take stock of his life and get it in order before he thinks about asking for anything from this sport - for his own good.
I wish him the best but I don't think I would like fishing a tournament with him in the field.
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07-23-2010, 10:50 AM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
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Originally Posted by JIGS
In time, let him back in, I'm sure he is a decent person in life. Just make him work his way back in to the game someday.
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Why not let him fish your tournament then? Should be pretty easy to do... You'll end up with 1 boat.
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07-23-2010, 11:01 AM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
Deleted my post! Sorry I even opened my mouth! Of course not, I would not let him in our family fun oriented style type tournament! Was trying to be on the humane conservative side. Oops! Wrong thing to do, Sorry all! I'll shut up and make Spinnerbaits, back to the shop with my foot in my mouth again!
Jigs
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07-23-2010, 12:26 PM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
sure it's obvious Tom, or at least should be. However, IMHO there should be statements made publicly by each org supporting WonBass and their actions. That statement would not even have to name Mr. Hart, just support WonBass, and the fact that CHEATING on any level anywhere, will not be tolerated, by any of them.
Look, like I said in another post, I've been around this sport along time, and I've seen a ton of garbage get swept under the carpet, or be dealt with behind closed doors, so to assume anything in this day and times is extremely dangerous, be it in business or sport. In my opinion that type of conduct only helps the the odds of this occuring in the first place, or for that matter again in the future.
For the good of this sport there needs to be transparency, at least as much as possible. Running CBC you know that firsthand I'm sure.
So, Is this a sad day for the sport? Absolutely not, finally an org is dealing with something with all of the transparency possible, and it should be commended and supported by everyone, PUBLICLY!
My .02
Dan
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07-23-2010, 02:00 PM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
Thats insane to think he should be able to fish tourneys again one day! He earned what hes getting for being a POS cheater...
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07-23-2010, 02:24 PM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
You would be surprised G. There are a few guys that wait until new blood comes in and try to rebuild their reputations. I remember a tackle company the F'ed a bunch of guys out of money and tackle then filed bankruptcy on them. Now the SAME guy is running a new business and guys think he is a good honest company. Bass fishermen have short memories. This guy WILL FU#@ people over again when times get tough. BT!
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07-23-2010, 03:11 PM
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Re: Do we really need to state this?
Tom is dead on. he is for sure banned from ABA ...
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